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Re: Caffeine?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:47 am
by AirForceRunner
QuickChick wrote:Oh come on. We're not telling the kid to smoke crack. Caffeine is the wonder drug if used in moderation. I do think it's probably a good idea to tell teenagers not to drink caffeine in general, as teenagers tend to overdo things and have them too much. We all know that a cup of coffee every day as an adult is a pretty normal thing to do. It's when adults drink coffee all day every day that there's an issue. If you drink coffee every day as a teenager, that might not be the best idea (could lead to drinking a lot more coffee as an adult). However, a coffee once in awhile isn't the end of the world and would probably give him a huge boost before a race (esp if he doesn't have it often).
Yes energy drinks are bad for you, and I would never make a habit of drinking them. It's probably good that ROW is not allowed to have them if there is a chance he could develop a habit of having them regularly. I don't drink pop often at all, and really I don't think energy drinks are that much different than Coke or Mountain Dew or whatever. HOWEVER, while I don't think they should be consumed regularly, I don't think there's a problem with drinking one a month or however often you need it before a race. They do really perk me up, and I get a better boost from them anyway if they're not something I have often. It's the people who drink them every day, and the people who drink them but then don't do anything that requires the "energy", who are really the problem. Those drinks are full of sugar and calories.
Caffeine pills... I don't think he was seriously considering those at all. I would never advocate taking caffeine pills- that's a bit different than a cup of coffee before a race IMO.
+1
I advised him coffee didn't work, that energy drinks were bad, and mentioned caffeine pills. However, I said "If he must use caffeine....", which means I don't think a young man of his age should be depending on this. However, I am not going to force my opinion on him. He's 15, not 5.
BTW...a Starbucks coffee has more caffeine than a caffeine tablet....just sayin.
Re: Caffeine?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 8:01 am
by Double Bellybuster
BrokeNeckRunner wrote:...He's 15, not 5...
Agreed, I don't think ROW is looking for us to baby him. Judging by his posts, I think he has a pretty good handle on his health and potential issues, likely moreso than 90%+ of the adults in Canada.
Re: Caffeine?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 8:13 am
by Jwolf
Double Bellybuster wrote:BrokeNeckRunner wrote:...He's 15, not 5...
Agreed, I don't think ROW is looking for us to baby him. Judging by his posts, I think he has a pretty good handle on his health and potential issues, likely moreso than 90%+ of the adults in Canada.
He also said he was already drinking one coffee-- hardly a concern.
My comment about commercial so-called "energy" drinks like Red Bull not being much more than caffeine and sugar was more a commentary on the industry-- I wasn't advising him to use it. I wouldn't advise anyone to use them. The industry market these things as amazing performance aids, but they don't do much more than a coffee with sugar does (and Mike's link confirms that). The fact that the school teams don't allow it is likely because there are some out there that do contain extra crap that no one needs-- and to make sure they don't look for the questionable unregulated stuff.
Re: Caffeine?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 8:30 am
by Darth Tater
FishHog wrote:ROW wrote:I think tomorrow i'll have a french vanilla in the morning. I have the 800 in the morning, then the 3000 later.
Just for the record. Real men don't drink "french vanilla"
Re: Caffeine?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 8:36 am
by HCcD
Re: Caffeine?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 8:38 am
by DougG
I took ROW's post to ask if his usual morning coffee will affect him, not that he was considering taking additional caffeine/stimulants. I would never recommend a 15 year old take stimulants of any kind. Keep in mind caffeine is a drug and a highly addictive drug, with some harmful side affects. Yes, most of us take it through our coffee, but we are adults (allegedly
).
And with all respect to ROW, he is only 15, so to assume he is well versed on the impact on various drugs & stimulants is questionable, in my opinion. Even if he is a smart young man, which I think he is.
Re: Caffeine?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 8:43 am
by Ironboy
DougG wrote:I took ROW's post to ask if his usual morning coffee will affect him, not that he was considering taking additional caffeine/stimulants.
I agree with this part of your post.
The question wasn't when should I take my caffeine to maximize my performance, it was, if I take caffeine in the morning to wake me up and start my day, will I crash in the afternoon before my race.
The answer is "No". You'll be fine.
You don't need the caffeine for you races, the distances are fairly short for the benefits of caffeine anyway.
Now if you want to get hooked up with some HGH or EPO, that's another story, pm me, we'll talk
(just kidding)!!!!!
Re: Caffeine?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:21 am
by Pat Menzies
Caffeine can help your breathing in a shorter race, particularly if you suffer from EIA (which ROW does apparently).
I would consider it a viable alternative to getting addicted to a puffer in that scenario.
eta: I realize that there are just as many studies claiming the exact opposite (caffeine exacerbates asthma) but I would be willing to bet that those researchers never ran an indoor 800 with EIA.
Personal experience always counts for more than what's supposed to happen.
Re: Caffeine?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:33 am
by nikexc84
Row- Caffeine really isn't go to improve your performance in your races. Having your morning coffee isn't going to affect your performance. Taking caffeine pills or drinking red bull won't help either. What will help you is to stay hydrated and be relaxed, loose before your race. Make sure you have a good breakfast. Listen to your coach. I've coached in the past the last kid I coached was your age and he won 2 provincial titles and a National Legion title at steeplechase (PB 4:34 1500 steeple). Those are some good pb's to start with. My advice to you is to work hard and be consistent with your training that will give you good results. My track pbs were 400 -51.2, 800m 1:56.5, 1500m -3:55, 3000m - 8:25, 3000ms/c
8:58, 5k 14:15 and 10km 30:02. I also ran road races and cross country competing at nationals many times. Good luck with your races.
Cheers
Re: Caffeine?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:42 am
by La
Ironboy wrote:DougG wrote:I took ROW's post to ask if his usual morning coffee will affect him, not that he was considering taking additional caffeine/stimulants.
I agree with this part of your post.
The question wasn't when should I take my caffeine to maximize my performance, it was, if I take caffeine in the morning to wake me up and start my day, will I crash in the afternoon before my race.
The answer is "No". You'll be fine.
You don't need the caffeine for you races, the distances are fairly short for the benefits of caffeine anyway.
Now if you want to get hooked up with some HGH or EPO, that's another story, pm me, we'll talk
(just kidding)!!!!!
+1
If drinking coffee in the morning is part of your regular routine, then I would continue to do that.
I have no opinion on what effect taking in any more caffeine (or other stimulant) later in the day will have on your performance.
Re: Caffeine?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:52 am
by Darth Tater
Here's what you need:
Re: Caffeine?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 11:33 am
by canalrunner
Canalrunner say he likes how a question posed by ROW looking for advice has now morphed into a discussion about ROW in the third person. He wonders now how ROW approached his day and how he did in his races. Wise, is he.
Re: Caffeine?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 12:00 pm
by VeloCarrie
canalrunner wrote:Canalrunner say he likes how a question posed by ROW looking for advice has now morphed into a discussion about ROW in the third person. He wonders now how ROW approached his day and how he did in his races. Wise, is he.
Re: Caffeine?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 12:25 pm
by Spirit Unleashed
canalrunner wrote:Canalrunner say he likes how a question posed by ROW looking for advice has now morphed into a discussion about ROW in the third person. He wonders now how ROW approached his day and how he did in his races. Wise, is he.
Kids do get talked about as if they are not there.
Re: Caffeine?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 1:13 pm
by Pat Menzies
Would this be a good thread to introduce the performance benefits of the nicotine patch?
Re: Caffeine?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 1:20 pm
by AirForceRunner
Pat Menzies wrote:Would this be a good thread to introduce the performance benefits of the nicotine patch?
Hey...Tour de France riders smoked before stages in the 20's under the belief that nicotine was a performance enhancer. Some folks will do anything...LOL!!!
Wasn't there a line in
Born to Run that stated a survey showed that 20% of people would take a dramatic increase in performance at the cost of dying the next year. Sound a little sensational, but still.....
Re: Caffeine?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 1:22 pm
by Double Bellybuster
BrokeNeckRunner wrote:...a survey showed that 20% of people would take a dramatic increase in performance at the cost of dying the next year.
Was the survey called Major League Baseball?
Re: Caffeine?
Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 10:06 am
by canalrunner
Double Bellybuster wrote:BrokeNeckRunner wrote:...a survey showed that 20% of people would take a dramatic increase in performance at the cost of dying the next year.
Was the survey called Major League Baseball?
That is funny.
and true.......and sad.
Re: Caffeine?
Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 8:07 pm
by Stephan
Coffee, Tea and Cocaine........you can't beat it!!! It's a food group! Keeps you runnin and keeps you livin!!
Re: Caffeine?
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 12:08 am
by Albertatraildog
I wouldn't even think about racing without a cup of joe.
Of course timing is everything.
45 min before the event works best for me.
a. it does give you a stimulant effect
b. it does reduce the perception of fatigue
c. it does clean out the digestive tract... just be sure to visit the porta potty before the race starts.
In long races (50k+) I will take a caffeinated gel or two. In very very long races (100km+) I will carry caffeine pills, although I certainly wouldn't recommend either for a track race.
The caffeine pills come in handy when darkness falls.
Re: Caffeine?
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 12:10 am
by Albertatraildog
Pat Menzies wrote:Caffeine can help your breathing in a shorter race, particularly if you suffer from EIA (which ROW does apparently).
I would consider it a viable alternative to getting addicted to a puffer in that scenario.
eta: I realize that there are just as many studies claiming the exact opposite (caffeine exacerbates asthma) but I would be willing to bet that those researchers never ran an indoor 800 with EIA.
Personal experience always counts for more than what's supposed to happen.
+1
